Select Flickr photos to sell via Getty license

News Type: Event — Seeded on Wed Jul 9, 2008 8:09 AM EDT

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Flickr on Tuesday entered a partnership with Getty Images to offer its users a way to potentially make money off their photography.

The Yahoo-owned photo-hosting community will be a new resource for Getty, which can now contact Flickr members directly through the site and ask them if they want to share one or more of their images for use in a special Flickr-branded Getty collection.

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Marilyn L

Don't call us, we'll call you... and so Flickr enters into an agreement with Getty Images to select photos to be sold as stock (similar to istockphoto.com which Getty owns). Cool.

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3 votes

#1 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 8:11 AM EDT

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MarcusK

Those rates, not yet available, are likely to follow some of Getty's standard rates. As part of the deal, the only transaction is being shared directly between the photographer and Getty, meaning Yahoo will not be getting a share of that fee. According to Yahoo's rep, "Getty and Flickr have a separate business relationship."

As cool as it is, I remember reading one article in Common Cents which shows the bad in the deal with Getty Images. Now of course he is talking from the point of view of a working photographer, and not amateur; but the point remains valid nonetheless.
Sorry, I do not remember which one, which is why I simply linked to the main site.

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1 vote

#1.1 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 9:00 AM EDT

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Greyshore

Thanks Marcus for the link. I just learned from an article there that Getty Images was bought out by an investment firm for 2.1 BILLION and their stocks were cut in half. I wonder who contacted who for setting up the Yahoo/Getty Deal. It makes sense in so far as reaching a larger audience, enticing professional photographers of selling their images, but what kind of false promise is that giving?

I guess I have been out of the loop for awhile, but when did Getty provide music?

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2 votes

#2 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 11:36 AM EDT

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MarcusK

You're welcome.

Music? haha, I did not know that.

Ever since I read the article in Common Cents, I no longer made the effort to browse over to Getty.

However, I think the Yahoo/Getty deal came about precisely because photographers were pulling out, or pulled back on using their services.

Stock photography has been on the decline ever since stock agencies have been changing their policies. This article I seeded, might bring about some light into it as well.

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1 vote

#2.1 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 11:58 AM EDT

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Greyshore

I started reading some of Getty's policies but it made my head spin. I will certainly comment on that other seed. This social photo site's seemed create overnight an onslaught of professional picture takers. I remember the expense and time of processing my own Black and whites, dark room time and procedures but have to admit that when digital became more prominent, it changed the way I thought. Back when I worked for an agency, we used the same stock CDs for all our projects - It was more time efficient and cost effective. Now that I take my own fashion and product shots, I don't deal with image houses anymore. So I see what you are saying about the decline, and why things have to change. It just makes it harder for the photographers who have invested so much time and expense to get the return on their investments.

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2 votes

#2.2 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 12:12 PM EDT

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MarcusK

Exactly, and as you will see in the seeded article (which is quite funny), digital might not have been as great as we have already thought at first.

Mind you I personally love DSLRs, and still miss the darkroom process. (still an aspiring photographer)

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1 vote

#2.3 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 12:16 PM EDT

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Greyshore

I still take out the old Pentax 35mm from time to time. There is something to say about delayed gratification and knowing that you are paying for every expendable frame. Those shots are just for me. DSLRs are a great tool. Especially when you have to adjust lighting on the fly.

I think that I be getting a wee off topic. Someone reel me in!:)

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#2.4 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 12:21 PM EDT

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Marilyn L

The whole commercial photography industry is in flux, IMHO. I don't have time right now to look at the article you seeded Marcus, but I will later this evening. I used to have the budgets to hire top professional photographers, but lately even corporate clients restrict me to stock. I've bought over $25,000 in Getty discs (mostly for a quarterly magazine I designed for over 10 years), and now use istockphoto dot com (also bought out by Getty) almost exclusively. The Getty discs just got too expensive and the quality went up on istock. I know that some photogs over there do very well, though I haven't read your article, so I don't the other side of the question.

Gotta run now. Back late this evening...

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2 votes

#2.5 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 12:23 PM EDT

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Marilyn L

We cross posted. Why reel you in, this is a great conversation, even if I've gotta go!

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#2.6 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 12:24 PM EDT

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MarcusK

Marilyn, the first link discusses contract issues between photographers and Getty (or any other issues).

The second touches on some of the things you said in your comment. From the stand point of clients, wanting to pay less is understandable. Specially when you are not exactly using them for billboards and huge adverts. However, the price increase for instance, did not mean more money for the photographers, and that is what the real issue is about.

Also, the introduction of common user photos from Flickr, to the stockphoto market, is touched on inthe seeded article.

Greyshore, I completely understand where you're coming from. I still turn off the preview button when I can afford it. Makes me focus more on the shot, instead of simply grabbing a shot and reviewing it, then if needs be, reshoot. Besides, maybe I am just a hopeless romantic, but there is something about Film, the development process and the final print that I just love.

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1 vote

#2.7 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 12:33 PM EDT

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MarcusK

Oh and about:

The whole commercial photography industry is in flux, IMHO.

You are right, and bad contract terms from stock agencies for photographers is a big factor.

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2 votes

#2.8 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 12:34 PM EDT

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MarcusK

Here's a link to one article on Common Cents that relates to our discussion.

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2 votes

#3 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 12:39 PM EDT

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Greyshore

What this means is that, we as artists are responsible for raising the bar. Thinking out of the box and providing the concepts first, not building the story on the image. Contracts will need to be revised. It is not just about the shot anymore, but the method in which it is be used. This has always been true. That's why some images are more than others. Raise the rate for putting the ad or print piece together, and the photographers rate will be included into that. Indirect cost of production.

All that sounds like it will work until you hear the client say, "Oh that's good enough!" [ Not referring to corporate clients ]

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2 votes

#4 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 1:06 PM EDT

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